Fish

[Pam]

Just curious, what is it about Jacks workouts that you dont understand?

[fish]

Pam, Jack, et al,

I am willing to bet that Jack has a systematic plan.

If I were to take Jack's posts and break them out, I'll bet I could recognize any number of patterns, and probably give a good guess as to rhyme and reason of the mix of the variables in the program.

Since I have not done the break out, and I have not asked Jack to explain the theory of his program, I don't know enough to offer fair comment .

Jack has told us where he is going, he has even given us enough information to figure out how he plans to get there. I just haven't looked closely enough at the map.

Peace,

fish

[Pam]

Fish, I think you're giving Jack way too much credit.

I'm just kidding Jack!!!! Not only does he have his plan all mapped out but I am really hoping he has mine too.

Have you been lifting lately Fish?

[jack]

Pam and fish..........I do have a plan but sometimes I just go by feel but most of the time it's pretty simple......on heavy days it's uuuuuuuuuumph and on speed days it's umph,umph,umph,can't get any easier than that .

Pam,I've got your plan and now it's time to put a timetable on it. Are you ready to get it on .

[Nathan]

Im not sure if anyone responded to my post because by the time i came back my post was past the 10 most rescent.... I thought that might happen.

[Pam]

Nate check out my post to you under the "Training" section.

Jack I was just kidding with my response to Fish. I know you have a plan...as for putting me on a time schedule..as long as we can be flexible I say lets go for it. Just remember....3 kids..and very soon shoveling.

Speaking of kids I need to go before one of them gets killed..it doesnt sound good downstairs

[jack]

I'm serious about some goals and timetables. I want you to spell out what your goals are and then we can set some realistic and attainable time schedules. Just remember that you might have to say "no" to some of the many outside interferences that are currently besieging your schedule if you are serious about your goals. Are you up for it ?

[Pam]

I do think I should spell out some goals and then have you help me come up with a doable timetable, but...dont ya just love those butt. I do need to take into account all the stuff I have going on. Jack I know you think I need to "just say no" but most of what I do I have to do. I need to keep going to school because I think its important to be there for a number of reason...I wont get into those. As far as saying no to mom...I just cant. My parents have done too much for me and I just cant say no to her when she needs me. I've been working out this week in the afternoon, one time before I got Ryan and next a couple hours after. Both worked out except for for the last one, I cant wait that long after he gets home.

Anyway my point is I agree with you, I do need goals and a timetable. Lifting is important to me, very important, as is staying fit and healthy, I just need to take into account whats going on here too. Make sense?

You are now free to yell at me. Just dont make me cry.

[fish]

Pam,

Have I been lifting lately ?

Sort of.

I have to pass by or through the room I call the gym a few times a day.

I leave the 45s on the 45 lb trap bar and DL 10X 135 in passing.

I do 5X BW chins in passing.

I grab the powerblocks and do 10X 60 DBBP in passing.

I roll out on the ab wheel in passing.

The weights are essentially at warm up levels, so there are no preliminaries . As I pass through the room, I grab one and do it with strictest attention to form and feedback.

I'm trying not to loose too much until I go back into the winter mode.

On another subject, once upon a time I used to run in the early AM. I could only do this 6 - 7 months a year when the days were long enough. After taking 5 - 6 months off, getting back into the AM mode was really, really tough. Once I reacclimate, though, it became natural to roll out and get it going.

I would shift my 10 p.m. - 5 a.m. to 9 p.m. to 4 a.m.

I notice that Jack posts early. I guess this means that he gets his workout done early.

When the kids were home some of my best opportunities to get stuff done was before they got up.

I know it's tough, but it may be an option.

fish

[jack]

Pam,you had to throw those last 2 sentences in and totally neutralize me . Sometimes saying no just means not at this time,it's negotiable,let's see if we can work it in later/earlier,I'll do it as soon as finish my workout , etc. You know what I mean and being a woman you have the innate talents to control these things . You've got a lot of potential as a lifter and I'd love to see you develop all of it.

[jack]

fish,I am an early riser but not an early lifter. While I am a morning person,I have neither the inclination nor the wherewithal to work out in wee hours of the day. I workout as soon as I come in from work. I do my best posting in the morning though .

[fish]

great, let's work on it. isn't that why we are here ?

Dear Jack,

This is offered in brotherhood.

I'm a foolish old man, so don't beat me up if I get loose in the tongue, but what are you thinking of to even say the words "being a woman you have the innate talents to control these things".

Heyzeus, brother, I may be wrong, but I don't think that those words say exactly what you mean, and I do think that those words can be taken to say a lot you don't mean.

Of course, you and Pam are old friends, so you come closer to understanding, but I respectfully suggest that you strike that phrase from your lexicon, lest it escape at an unopportune moment.

If I'm out of bounds, so sorry. Please forgive my ignorance. My only excuse is that it is was offered in brotherhood.

Dear Pam,

So let's figure the time it takes to do the workout you want. Break it out, and make the pieces fit into the rest of your personal puzzle.

Warm up. I have read 5 minutes core is minimal. Then the time for the specific exercises. Two progressive warm up sets to work set for each ?

You get the point, how many minutes do you need minimum for your workout ? Does it fit anywhere as things are now ? If not, how much of the furniture do you have to move around to get it to fit in, while keeping things as harmonious as possible ?

Have you tried to involve the kids (and/or mom) in the workouts ? either by them doing the same things, or by blocking the time out for simultanious personal projects. It's a "Let's all take our personal time at the same time" sort of plan.

I'm going to stop now. If this is a good subject, good, let's talk. If not ...

PEACE

fish

[Pam]

Fish I can guarantee you that Jack didnt mean anything negative by that statement.

As far as my workouts go, before August not much got in the way of my workouts. When I started putting in the pool in addition to all the extra yard work, well there just wasnt time for everything. This year is unlike any other I've had in 14 years. All my kids are in school fulltime You'd think I'd have more free time but I seem to have less. I'm trying to work at school in hopes of getting a job there. That would have me home with my kids when they were home, including the summers.

Anyway, Jack is right. I do need to once again make my workouts a priority..I need to do that. I feel so much better when I am working out on a regular basis.

That said, for lifting alone I can need as much as 1 1/2 hours on ME days but can usually get through a DE day in an hour. If I reduce my warm up time on the treadmill on ME days I could probably get by with less time.

As far a lifting or any type of exercise before the kids got up..that would have me starting at 5:30...last time I tried to exercise at that time I pulled my back and was out of work for a week. I am just not a morning exercise person. What I need to try to do is get down there as soon as they get on the bus, I could start at 9 and be done by 10 or 10:30...done for the day...dont have to worry about it anymore.

As for the kids working out with me...they do that already..at least my oldest does.

But you're both right...I need to figure out when I can workout and then do it...no excuses. I think its time I got back on track....thanks guys.

[jack]

fish,apparently you don't know women the way I know women. They do control things and contrary to poplular belief they are not the weaker sex all things considered. Pam knows what I'm talking about and while I'm sure your input was well intended it was intrusive to say the least. Pam and I go back from several boards and just seem to have a feel for motivating the other in addition to trading barbs and giving the other a boatload of sh*t.

I appreciate your concern but just keep it to yourself. I'm to old to be the benafactor of advice on women . If I get out of line,believe you me,Pam will let me know in no uncertain terms.

[fish]

Jack,

a good humored response to yours of 9/27/03 @ 0829 hrs.

fish,

apparently you don't know women the way I know women. (admitted, but then, who does ? )

They do control things (admitted)

and contrary to popular belief they are not the weaker sex all things considered. (admitted to the extent that women are not the weaker sex all things considered. denied to the extent that popular belief is that women are the weaker sex, all things considered. not any more, not in this country.)

Pam knows what I'm talking about (information insufficient to form a certain belief, but that’s what I surmised in my earlier letter to you.)

and while I'm sure your input was well intended (admitted, and directly stated in my earlier letter)

it was intrusive to say the least. (denied, to the extent that an open posting on the world wide web invites universal comment)

Pam and I go back from several boards and just seem to have a feel for motivating the other in addition to trading barbs and giving the other a boatload of sh*t. (information insufficient to form a certain belief, but consistent with observations to date)

I appreciate your concern but just keep it to yourself. (OK, but I remind you again that your post on a world wide web board invites replies.)

I'm to(o) old to be the benafactor (beneficiary ?) of advice on women. (really ? is that because you know all there is to know about women ? Or is it for some other reason ? If the former, I’ve got a lot of questions for you !)

If I get out of line,believe you me,Pam will let me know in no uncertain terms. (information insufficient to form a certain belief, but I’m glad to hear it.)

Keep smiling, Jack.

Peace,

fish